Mumbai Terrorist Attacks Not A CIA/Mossad Job

Al Qaeda theory: Mumbai intellectuals blame MOSSAD, CIA

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  1. Buzz Aldrin says:

    It saddens me, that this potentially wonderful communications medium that is the internet, is so choc full of misinformed, sensationalist tosh. The majority of the content posted on this site is conspiracy theory bunk. Don’t these people have anything more constructive to do with their time?!

    I don’t find it funny, educational or ‘enlightening’, because it’s just more misinformation, tangential to the MSM view, maybe, but misinformed tosh nonetheless.

    The great thing about any conspiracy is, it doesn’t need any proof. Perversely, the very lack of proof is often used to prove the point. I.e. it’s a great cover up.

    It’s remarkable how, the alternative media channels and content cite other alternative media content and channels to give itself apparant credability. Alternative media is a monster that’s feeding on itself. Has it ever occured to you that mossad and the CIA could be orchestrating the alternative media to undermine the mainstream media and destabilize society so they can employ further controls on the ‘free’ society? (I’m being facetious here)

    Enthusisasts of alternative media tend to be alienated from society, they’re groping for something to believe in.

    The alternate view is simply another, flawed belief system. A belief system that allows for the continuation of the us against them mindset that plagues humanity.

    Also, it’s almost always impossible to have a rational conversation with people who support these alternative, non-MSM views. If you dare to naysay their theories they either accuse you of being a brainwashed sheep, or of not wanting to ‘hear the truth’, or of being somehow afraid to embrace the truth, or of being simply ignorant or stupid. They fail to understand that their ‘truth’ is not the absolute ‘truth’ and, in arguing to defend it, that they’re falling into the same old trap of identification with a belief. which, is incidentally the cause of all uneccessary human conflict.

    When you’re identified with a belief, you assimilate that belief as part of your self concept. When another disagrees with your belief you defend it as if you were defending ones very physical self.

    If you disagree with this then you’re a simple minded sheep and are too frightened to contemplate a world where conspiracies do not exist.

  2. j says:

    Hi Buzz, did u really go to the moon ?

  3. Buzz Aldrin says:

    Ya got me. The moon landings were a hoax.
    Why else would I be so uptight about people who investigate conspiracies?

  4. Ed says:

    “It saddens me, that this potentially wonderful communications medium that is the internet, is so choc full of misinformed, sensationalist tosh. The majority of the content posted on this site is conspiracy theory bunk. Don’t these people have anything more constructive to do with their time?!”

    Watch “The Corporation” by Achbar, Abbot & Bakkan, “Why We Fight” and “The Trials of Henry Kissinger” by Eugene Jarecki, “Injected” and “Divided Country, Disposable People” by Mickey Grant,
    “Iraq for sale” by Robert Greenwald, any of the films or speeches by John Pilger. Watch “Conspiracy of Silence” or “Century of the Self” or “The Trap” or any film by Adam Curtis. Watch the British film “Taking Liberties” about Blair’s New Labour. Watch the countless mainstream US news media reports by reporters such as Lou Dobbs and Keith Olbermann. Why don’t you post the same question to them? I’m sure they all have websites open for comment, too, if you look.

    “I don’t find it funny, educational or ‘enlightening’, because it’s just more misinformation, tangential to the MSM view, maybe, but misinformed tosh nonetheless.”

    Look up the biographies of any of the people named above.

    “The great thing about any conspiracy is, it doesn’t need any proof. Perversely, the very lack of proof is often used to prove the point. I.e. it’s a great cover up.”

    Refer to answer number one.

    “It’s remarkable how, the alternative media channels and content cite other alternative media content and channels to give itself apparant credability. Alternative media is a monster that’s feeding on itself. Has it ever occured to you that mossad and the CIA could be orchestrating the alternative media to undermine the mainstream media and destabilize society so they can employ further controls on the ‘free’ society? (I’m being facetious here)”

    It would appear you don’t watch or read much “alternative” media, as the majority of the serious players in this field never cite other alternative media as proof of their claims. They tend, overall, to site history, government documentation, and even the mainstream media.

    “Enthusisasts of alternative media tend to be alienated from society, they’re groping for something to believe in.”

    Enthusiasts of mainstream media tend to be alienated from society.

    “The alternate view is simply another, flawed belief system. A belief system that allows for the continuation of the us against them mindset that plagues humanity.”

    It is a process of investigation, not an alternate view for the sake of itself. At least, that’s my point of view on it. You appear to be creating your own problem, if you’ll forgive me for pointing this out.

    “Also, it’s almost always impossible to have a rational conversation with people who support these alternative, non-MSM views. If you dare to naysay their theories they either accuse you of being a brainwashed sheep, or of not wanting to ‘hear the truth’, or of being somehow afraid to embrace the truth, or of being simply ignorant or stupid. They fail to understand that their ‘truth’ is not the absolute ‘truth’ and, in arguing to defend it, that they’re falling into the same old trap of identification with a belief. which, is incidentally the cause of all uneccessary human conflict.”

    Good point. Sometimes, though, people just refuse to face up to reality: and this can happen to anyone, no matter what side of this imagined fence between fantasy and reality. They’re too comfortable within the lines drawn for them by mainstream/alternative media and popular/fringe opinion. Often, these people do not read much outside of the mainstream/alternative media. If you cite credible/incredible sources, even fact/bullshit, some individuals will refuse point blank to even entertain it.

    “When you’re identified with a belief, you assimilate that belief as part of your self concept. When another disagrees with your belief you defend it as if you were defending ones very physical self.”

    “If you disagree with this then you’re a simple minded sheep and are too frightened to contemplate a world where conspiracies do not exist.”

    LOL. You are joking, aren’t you? If you are – or just think you’re being clever – then I must say that that was a nice try. Fair play 😉 If you’re not, you need to read, and possibly re-read, what you just wrote. Also, watch some of the afore-mentioned films on this site (which you don’t appear to have done) and consider the kind of opinion you’re rallying against. You may find you have more in common with these “conspiracy theorists” (read film makers, journalists, and writers) than you realise.

    Of course, not everything on here is bona-fide. But that’s up for you to decide. Nobody should tell you what to think. We know far, far less about what goes on around us than we think. To believe otherwise (to believe solely any one-thing, perhaps one could argue) would be arrogant, surely?

  5. J says:

    Buzz you have obviously investigated enough alternative information to make your mind up but what lead you in the first place to investigate ?

    As with all information you really have to sift through the crap when it comes to conspiracy theories but you right off all conspiracy theories as bunk ?

    Just take 911, the Government investigation is pure bunk and the most information you can find on events are from people who were there and have had to use the internet to reach the public. Some of the films mentioned by ED will never be shown on mainstream TV , why ? Because the revolution will not be televised….thanks to this sites like this, it may just be.

  6. Buzz Aldrin says:

    Thankyou for taking the time to intelligently answer my queries Ed and J. Your patient approach is appreciated.

    I agree that the MSM is rife with spin, half truths, corporate sponsorship and vested interests. But then so it the ‘alternative media’.

    If you’re into conspiracy theories then consider that the security agencies are infiltrating the alternative media arena with their own counter counter intelligence agenda.

    Maybe I’m overly cynical towards the alternative media due to the sheer godawful quality of a lot of the journalism I’ve seen. Maybe a lot of the truly awful stuff is planted by security forces to discredit the minority of credible alternative media voices.

    It’s a time worn sales technique, you ask the customer if they like to be happy, they nod, you ask them if they think they’d like to save money, they nod, you ask them if they would prefer to be safe against some external threat they nod and then you mention your agenda . . . “Well, if you buy this insurance policy mr X, you’ll be able to sleep soundly at night” . . . “you want to sleep well at night don’t you?”, “You said you wanted peace of mind didn’t you?” . . . It’s hard not to buy what they’re selling once you’ve been entrained to nod in agreement several times. Classic technique used to sell insurance, presidential candidates, any ideology you care to mention.

    Get the audience nodding in aggreement to a couple of mundane, obvious, socially accepted implicit assumptions, use a few credible sounding sources and then deftly lead to the odd dodgy assumption. Sandwich in a few more mundane facts and then lead to more and more outrageous claims. Most people are too dumb to discriminate. Most people are too dumb to notice. Most people lack the self awareness to see that they’re being conned.

    I believe, the irony is, that the people who are most resistant to being conned by the MSM are actually the most susceptible to any alternative crap that they’re exposed to. Many apparantly intellingent folks who cynically deny the main stream message seem completely able to swallow any conspiracy story indiscriminately. It’s almost as if – “if it’s against the mainstream then I’m all for it”.

    The acid test is, if you attack the belief system. For example, if you deny the belief that 911 was an inside job. The response that you elicit indicates the extent to which the subject has internalized the ‘belief’ that they’ve been sold.
    The more vehement the defence of their point of view, the more they’re under the spell.

    All media has an agenda. I think that a lot of alternative media supporters think that they’re somehow championing the ‘truth’. When, in fact they are simply being hoodwinked. They are totally unable to percieve the truth. Because the truth is they are identifying with an ideology and they’re mistaking the ideology for objective truth. Then, when their belief (that they fail to recognise as a subjective belief, they think it’s ‘how the world really is’ they think they are privy to objective reality) is threatened by someone who believes something different – conflict. The underlying cause of virtually all human conflict.

    I see some good stuff on here, I also see a lot of complete garbage. The problem I see with this is, the good stuff, by association, gives undeserved credibility to the garbage. No editorial distinction is made between the good stuff and the crap. There is very little critical, in depth analysis, no warnings, no caveats from the editorial team. The lack of editorial analysis gives an impression of lack of due dilligence on the part of the Radical Films team. What is Radical Films agenda? “To educate and entertain” doesn’t seem to ring true really.

    It’s easy to pass the responsibility on to the reader. “Well it’s up to you to make your own mind up” but is passing the buck in this way simply a cop out for lazy journalism?

    That would be a truly radical approach. Teach your subscribers the skills of critical analysis. Go for quality vs quantity. Don’t sacrifice the credibility of your site by posting crap without caveat or critical analysis.

  7. Ed says:

    I’d like to answer that, Buzz, by compiling some of the most recent comments we’ve had here at radical films.

    But first…

    I’ve been consistently surprised by the quality of some of the posts on this site. Of course, it’s easier for me as I’m sat here behind the controls, but I’d recommend scanning the recent comments occasionally. I’ve had Phd’s in chemistry who worked at alleged government biowarfare plants, experts on musicology and astronomy (the combination thereof), NLP practitioners, film makers, film producers, and I’m sure many, many other different kinds of people comment on this site. And these I mention are ones I know of because they’ve left comments.

    These people don’t need to know my opinion. I didn’t make or write any of these films. My opinion would just be another screen between them and the realities these films and news reports and radio broadcasts are trying to convey. I don’t want to confuse the issues any further (though I do admit to making the odd comment now and again), and these people are more than capable – in many cases more capable than me – of making their own mind about what they watch and what it means to them. I think it’s far to simple to break it down to whether people “believe” something or not: do you, generally, believe EVERYTHING in any given medium? It is, as I said, a process of investigation. We pick and we sift between the lines and may agree with some things but not others. We
    examine.

    The Radical Films ‘team’ is moi. And ‘Ed’ is short for ‘editor’. It’s a commonly used euphemism in UK publications. I think it’s about as pretentious as I can stand. My job is to try and keep my comments here in the comments section along with everybody elses opinion, where it belongs (admittedly, again, not always successfully but I make no apologies for it). The stars of this show are, as I’ve said in “about these films”, first and foremost the SUBJECTS of these films; in an honourable second place come the writers and journalists and what-have-you that have been involved in the production of the broadcast (in whatever medium).

    We are incessantly forgetting the actual meaning of the word “media”; subsequently we forget it is not, and should not, be a subject in of itself: but rather it is, academically and actually, a focus on those behind its bleary gaze. In front of and behind the camera.

    – “I found a whole PDF report on Obamas speech techniques. I guess if your in the know then youd see this going on in an instant. Im very positive he has been taught or learnt these techniques. Youd use everything you can to sway the people right ?”

    – “I would like to know the adress of the distrubuter of the documentary of Jamie Doran, ‘US war crimes in Mazar’ and if there is a frenc translation, in order to show it to our belgiun frenc-speaking members.(peace movement)
    Thanks to answer me to this adress/
    xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx”

    – “I’m intensely promoting my nearly finished film about the history of American war crimes in Korea set against the background of the newly revealed history of the American intervention in Korea which started in the mid-1800’s. Here’s a link to an early edit of the film:
    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7417775420968970865
    The completion of the film has been inhibited by a great deal of difficulty raising funds for it but I managed to shoot for several weeks in North Korea as well as in the south. I even have Noam Chomsky in the film and lots of amazing new revelations about what really happened in that war. What most people ignore is that there are over 30,000 American military personel present in South Korea… costing over a billion a month and they have been there over 50 years (50 time 12 billion=600 billion dollars).”

    – [excerpt] “As an NLP Master Practitioner, I am surprised that this particular tool (widely used in business and governments all over the World) is so demonized without mentioning the positive benefits of this powerful and multi-faceted technology. NLP did not develop these techniques- the communication skills and techniques found in NLP existed long before they were identified and gathered together under the umbrella of NLP….”

    – “To Mr. Mickey Grant, We are an alternative media group based in Metro Manila, Philippines. We have watched your film and we thought it is really groundbreaking, it inspires those who wish to capture events that are or will become important in history.

    We would like to show your film in a human rights film festival here. It is a school-based film fest in an effort to raise awareness on human rights. We hope that you can contact us sir, we have been trying to look for your e-mail.”

    – “Woah, Amazing. Pretty sad.
    However some of thosse questions a lot of folks wouldn’t be able to answer. The “57 states” bit for instance was something that was on the Internet but, as far as I know, didn’t get a lot of play except for right wing radio maybe.
    The other thing I’d like to mention is that you choose at random just as ignorant group of republicans.

    I voted 3rd party”

    – “This film really makes you think, what if, what if…
    No wonder it was banned in the USA.
    I found it hilariously funny in places, and deeply troubling in others, and for some obscure reason, it all makes sense somehow, and I wouldn’t object at all to be abducted by these “aliens”.”

    – “Love this movie! My teacher made me give a speech about child soldiers and a classmate recommended the film. I love the film and it moved me to tears and inspired me to give the best speech of my life, cause i felt that with eveyword I said I was making a difference. Thank you!!!”

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